Evidence for God!

I wrote this, saying that faith in the supernatural is unsupportable by evidence. Whoa! Hold your horses! Not so fast, even. It’s religious canard time. A commenter thinks there’s plenty of evidence. He offers a selection of arguments for the existence of god.

sabepashubbo said, on August 19, 2010 at 12:10 am

Sorry to intrude, but there is plenty of evidence for God’s existence if you take the time to study theism. The horizontal and vertical cosmological arguments, the teleological argument, the ontological argument, the moral argument. Not to mention that there is a lack of evidence in some of these areas from a naturalist’s perspective (the cosmological argument is a biggie here).

Read C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity” for a good explanation of the moral argument. Watch a William Lane Craig debate on YouTube for the cosmological and teleological arguments. The evidence is out there if you know where to look.

Thanks for your time. :-)

Here’s a rephrasal of those arguments (from here):

COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn’t that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) I can conceive of a perfect God.
(2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM ABSOLUTE MORAL STANDARDS
(1) If there are absolute moral standards, then God exists.
(2) Atheists say that there are no absolute moral standards.
(3) But that’s because they don’t want to admit to being sinners.
(4) Therefore, there are absolute moral standards.
(5) Therefore, God exists.

Needless to say, I’m not very impressed with any of those arguments. Since there is no way in hell I’m paying to buy some religious apologist’s pablum, I did the next best thing. I went to Pharyngula and saw if PZ Myers had something to say about C.S.Lewis’ book. He did. The entire first chapter’s there too, if somebody wants to experience a little pain (you know, jebus might start liking you if you put yourself through a blender; allah will only like you if you put someone else through the blender, though, so you might be out of luck there). I didn’t want to.

I’ll say something about the argument from absolute morality here, since I’ve written about morality and science before. CS Lewis’ argument is that morality is absolute, and therefore needs a moral-law-giver.

1) Morality is not always absolute. Even in Sam Harris’ formulation, I think there’ll be certain issues that remain morally ambiguous.

2) Whatever morality is absolute, is almost always directly linked to species-survival. (Don’t kill each other). Everything else seems to be cultural. And for sure, neither absolute morality, nor the lack of it, needs a divine puppeteer for explanation.

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3 thoughts on “Evidence for God!”

  1. That scaling relationship looks awfully familiar. I think I’ll write about it! I like that you’ve used the ‘right’ spelling for ‘conservapaedia’, by the way!

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